The journey that we’re on is never a straight line. We will encounter stressors along the way.

Learning more about ourselves and how we react to our emotional responses to these stressors is an amazing tool. And one that I’m continuously exploring.

Which is why I was super excited to welcome my new friend Malorie to come onto the show!

Malorie Nicole is a multi-certified coach, Forbes #1 Podcaster, limiting belief crusher and strategic thinker. She helps entrepreneurs grow their business, cultivate a healthy and fulfilling personal life, reach their full potential, and is the host of the Abundantly Clear podcast.

1. How performance habits are highly personalized and must be aligned with your purpose

2. Why emotions aren’t good or bad, but it’s our reaction to the emotion that can enable us to push through

3. A secret about acknowledging our growing pains will give ourselves the permission to release negative emotions

4. How boundaries can be a mutual back-and-forth to protecting our own energy vs. just time management techniques

5. Why building a healthy business is about building a healthy life

This was one of the most transformative interviews that I’ve ever personally done and had a couple of personal breakthroughs just during the process of talking to Malorie.

I know you’re going to love her and what she shares as we move through this journey together.

Listen to Malorie's Podcast: https://malorie-nicole.com/podcast

Be sure to subscribe to her list to get notified about her upcoming book: https://malorie-nicole.com/

Learn more at https://www.adamliette.com

Discover how to work with me: https://www.adamliette.com/work-with-me

Transcript

Adam Liette
What's up Smooth operators welcome. It's Friday, we made it through another week. And oddly enough, it actually is Friday on the day we're recording this hidden insider secret of podcasting. You know, you're gonna get you there's a flow to podcasting and kind of like your own internal funnel, where you're batching, podcasting, you're getting a whole bunch of episodes lined up, because honestly, if you're thinking about podcasts is probably a whole aside, but like trying to be a podcaster every day gets a bit exhausting. But when you batch it, then you get to go into this flow state. You get into this nice groove. I'm not kidding. I've done 20 interviews and a week before. I was exhausted at the end of that week, but it meant the next week was a week of action in a different realm because I put all this energy into my podcast for that week. And I knew my goal that week, is to podcast like my life depended on pens on at podcasts like it's my job, because it is.

And there's something so cool about that. But like I said, we're actually recording this on a Friday. So I'm like, super excited. Not only for that, though, because it is Friday, and I have an absolutely amazing guest here. I can't wait to dig in on this. And I thought it was kind of a perfect segue to talk about the focus that we put on a task at any given time and where energy is and how we are pushing ourselves to that next level, which is why it's almost perfect. Not almost it is absolutely perfect. And I have Mallory Nicole on the show. So Mallory is a multi certified coach a Forbes number one podcast or check out her show the abundantly clear podcast. She's a limiting belief Crusher and a strategic thinker. So she helps entrepreneurs grow their business, cultivate a healthy and fulfilling personal life and ultimately reach their full potential. We're all going to put ourselves into that energy right now of reaching our full potential. So please welcome me in joining in welcoming Mallory to the show. Thank you so much for joining me today. How are you?

Malorie Nicole
I'm so good. You're so good at intros, I listened to a couple of your episodes before coming on. And I noticed that about you and the keys so good at pumping people up before the show starts. So thank you for having me on. And thank you for the walkout. You can barely tell I spent a couple years running a team like not only in the business realm, but military teams, kind of these are all skills we develop right? And I'd be lying if I said I scripted it. I don't script these. Where is my energy taking me right now, which I think is a beautiful thing about this medium. I agree. And I was hearing the system's brain and they're the process brain in there and the batching of the content. I'm also the same way with content. I don't like thinking about content every single day. I like it to be in spurts. So that totally resonated.

Adam Liette
Absolutely 100%. That's something we're definitely gonna dive into. But before we get too far into our discussion, I just like to hear more about your background, if you can introduce yourself to the audience. And just let us know how you came onto this journey.

Malorie Nicole
Yeah, so I work with business owners, execs, teams, with things like performance, Mindset, Strategy, really helping people stay in their lane, stay dialed in, stay focused, and stay fulfilled. You know, there's a lot of people that grow businesses that don't lead to that personal fulfillment. So it's really important to me to make sure that whoever I'm working with and whatever we're working on, we're really carving out the lane that they want to be in, in growing the business the way that they actually want in life. And the way that I got involved in this was to make a really long story short, I had some health problems years ago that just were tanking my energy tanking, tanking my life. And I spent months going to the doctor trying to figure out what was going on with my body, not getting a whole lot of answers. And so I started self exploring how to fix what was happening. I felt like I had the flu every single day I was getting rashes, all this crazy stuff started happening. This is before the health movement and the way that it is now so there wasn't a whole lot of free information out there like there is today. I ended up finding out that I had a gluten intolerance by a wonderful blog that I came across and that led me down the path of health and wellness coaching. And in health and wellness coaching, I was like, oh, wait a second performance coaching, mindset coaching, business coaching. I love the way the brain works. I love how we think. I think it's complex and simple all at the same time. It's so fascinating and interesting to me. So I started getting other certifications. And now I do what I do.

Adam Liette
So fantastic. And you're right, like the the the ecosphere is been just like it's not been evolving slowly. It's been this like rocket ship this past decade of just,

Malorie Nicole
I don't say information overload, but sometimes it is right. There's so much information out there, it can be hard to discern what's kind of truth reality false. And I don't know about you, I tend to, I think when you do this long enough, and you're engaged, you can almost feel like this, like otherworldly connection with someone. And it's like, there's something bigger, I think that's binding us together, and we can reach it, I think so many ways through content. Yeah, it's really strange when you think about how we use the internet, like, I love the internet so much. I love Facebook, I love you. And I met through Facebook, like I love the platform of social media. But going back to something that you kind of started out the show on your energy and how you use something is really what you're gonna get out of it. So there are a lot of people out there that, you know, they bash on social media, they hate it, they've got a bad taste in their mouth for it. But to me, it's something that's really changed my life. I mean, there's so many people in my world that I never would have met had I not just said, Okay, what is this hole? I am space? What is this hole marketing yourself on social media space, and gone for it? And I think it's a great thing.

Adam Liette
For sure, I distinctly remember the first time I started using my personal profile for business connections and relationships. And my wife was like, What are you doing? Crossing Street, I'm like, I just have to, I have to, I just, I don't only have to because I literally, like money wise have to, like, help people and like, I didn't want to leave that connection at FHL or at this convention that I went to, like I wanted to, I wanted these people in my life in a very, very real and visceral way. I want to, I want them to see my children and feel my winds and my anguish and everything, because I just, I don't know what it is. It's it's this. I think the more okay, this can get like, super like big Whoo. But I think the more were in these kinds of information, eco spheres, the more we also value real relationships and work to cultivate them, right?

Malorie Nicole
Absolutely. I had a client and Tom this week, like this is so resonating with me right now, because I had a client in town this week with his leadership team. And his wife was also with them. And we had one evening where I had dinner with him and his team. And then we had another evening where I just had dinner with him and his wife, and it was so fun. But yeah, we met on Facebook, right? We met on Facebook, we've been working together in business. And then this week, I got to spend a few hours gone over a two day period, getting to know like his family and what his kids are like, and what they do for fun and what they do outside of business and also getting to like see him in action with his team and what that looks like to there is such an opportunity to bring it to the personal which, you know, if it was just Facebook, for me, I think I'd be missing a little bit of that I love the in person stuff, too, and how it all kind of CO creates and works together.

Adam Liette
Absolutely. Oh my goodness, we could go down this rabbit hole all day of social media, amazing things to cover. And I have some some questions I really want to propose to you. But I want to start with something that I think is kind of a limiting belief we put into our own heads. And it's the idea of being a high performer. And I think a lot of people I know myself included, I've struggled with the idea of like identifying as a high performer and what exactly that means, because I think so often we want to equate it with necessarily results. But I think results like they come after when you're already a high performer which leads to those results, unless I'm mistaken. So I'd love to just kind of peel back the onion a little bit on what exactly is a high performer and how do we know if we are one.

Malorie Nicole
I think high performer cares a little bit more than the general population, about how they want to build, create and cultivate a really great life. And what I find so interesting about this work is that we all actually want our lives to be different. So the way that you might want your business to grow and succeed is very different than maybe each one of your colleagues or if I think about my clients, for example, not all of them want the same things. But I would consider them all high performers, because they all do want to really put the effort and the energy and the conscious awareness into how they're creating the life that they're living. You know, so many of us live on autopilot. And I know you don't live on autopilot, and I don't anymore, but maybe in a previous part of our life, we can look back and say that version of us probably wasn't as hyper aware as the version of us now that's growing and building and really paying attention. When I think about a high performer. It's more about that than it is like, the stuff that you see online, like the person that takes an ice bath at 5am. And then does meditation and does this and does that it's less about that to me, and more about, Are you someone that cares? And are you action oriented in a way that aligns with what you want? Hmm.

Adam Liette
I love that because it's very personal in how your your personification of a high performer becomes visible to everyone else, right? Because it's what feeds fuels you, because I am a fight for hammer, but it ain't in an ice bath. I'm not doing that part of my life ever again, I did that in special ops training. No more. I've I've been cold for the rest of my life, more than enough for the rest of my life. But I have my own thing that I do that feeds me, right. Right. And like, I'm not afford a hammer that to me, like you saying that I'm like, oh, that sounds terrible. But you know, it works for you. If we look at how you and I show up to our lives and the effort that we're putting in to have a really good life experience, I consider that more the metric for high performance than anything.

Malorie Nicole
Awesome. So I think for the listeners out there, you think you're a high performer? You probably are. You're listening to a podcast? Yes. How to Grow how to build a great life. Like you're you're listening to a podcast about business, like, you're probably a high performer. Yes. Embrace it tattooed on your forehead or whatever you got going. Maybe not that, okay, I don't need selfies sent to me, guys. I love them. But come on. Don't say Adam told you.

Adam Liette
So? No, I did not tell you that. Okay. I think in my own experience, Mallory like, I went through that evolution and like been able to identify that. But I think in my own experience, caring so much about my great life that I'm trying to build it, it's also made me a little bit more susceptible to failure. And like some of the feelings that come from that, and the negative spirals and loopholes we can put ourselves into, is that something that you've experienced as well, or that you've seen from the people that you coach?

Malorie Nicole
Oh, yeah, both for me and for people that I coach, because humans are humans, right? We all have emotions. And it's funny, because a lot of people that are in more of like, you know, you didn't just say this to be huge. You shared exactly what your experiences, but I find a lot of people who think they're non emotional, they're like, they tell themselves, they're all logical. They're all brain, they're all operations, they're actually driven by their emotions a lot more than they're realizing, because they're so uncomfortable with seeing them. They're happening in the background, and they're not even really connected to that. And the thing about emotions, for me is that they're not good or bad. Emotions are reactivity to emotions is where we get stuck. Our judgment towards emotions is where we get stuck. So if we're feeling, you know, sad failure, all of us have done something that hasn't worked if you built a business. And honestly, it's an indicator that you're not really stretching and growing yourself, if you can say, I've never done anything that didn't work and actually means Hey, maybe you should push yourself a little bit more and go out and try and do something. Which is another way to just take information and feedback for yourself to see what's next. I look at emotions the same way our emotions are really just trying to tell us what we need to see. And whether we listen to it or not. That's almost a skill, the emotional side of us I look at very much like physical fitness, you don't go to the gym, and after a week, I have a six pack. The same thing for emotional fitness. It's it's mental fitness, you don't start doing emotional work. And then all of a sudden, you've got it all figured out. It's a practice and a skill that's developed over time. And maybe in the beginning, that failure feels really big. But the more you're able to just move through it and objectively look at it and remove yourself from it. But there is a move through a process. You got to give yourself permission to acknowledge the feeling because if you don't acknowledge it It resurfaces, and it's like the back, it's on your back, it's carrying you. It's like a weight that you're not acknowledging, once you acknowledge it, then you can get objective and go, Well, what does failure really mean? Well, fair failure means that I'm trying a whole bunch of things. And of course, some of them aren't going to work. What am I making it mean about me?

Adam Liette
Wow, that's powerful. Just, I'm taking notes here, because it's the acknowledgement and being okay with that, and what is it? Like? What's next? I mean, but sometimes saying is the hardest part. And I always go down like, okay, yeah, great, great, great, tactically, what do I do? What do I do like to get through this and, like, one thing I found useful. I know, everyone kind of has their own thing. I've heard journal or blah, blah, blah. And what helps me is because I'm a very auditory person, and unless I say something, it's not real. So I have a private collection of recordings y'all will never ever, ever, ever hear. But it's like Adams personal villag to himself. And it's just me, verbalizing what I'm feeling into my phone, this secret phone, you all will never get access to a promise that of like, digesting and talking through the things that I've experienced. Not that I'm saying I'm a finished product. That's not the point. None of us are. But I think that's really, like, this is like part of the equation that used to really, as you said, you help entrepreneurs, sustain their energy fuel their fire, like is this like one of the tools that you that you recommend? Or Academy?

Malorie Nicole
Yes, yeah, these experiences to do that. That's, that's kind of a long way of saying, like, we know, we're going to experience this, it's gonna happen, I accept that. Okay, that's, that's a win right now, if you accept that. So Exactly. How do we use this to fuel what we're doing? Exactly. And everything that you're saying, I'm nodding, I know, you guys can't see me because you're listening to this. But I'm nodding my head as Adam was talking, because it's all it's all yes, it's all multiple yeses. When we don't acknowledge the the very human parts of our growth, we get stuck in the emotion. And it's like, the emotion doesn't have room to be released. And depending on the situation, and depending on the person, it all depends, you guys will hear me say that a lot. Because it's not custom. And it's or excuse me, it is custom. It's not a perfect process. For every single individual. We all have different stuff. And we think differently. But our ability to just even acknowledge sometimes is enough to move something through us. It's when we, we face it with judgment, we tell ourselves, oh, that thing didn't work. That means that you're not good enough, or some of those, like deeper stories that are showing up, you're never going to figure it out. It always has to be hard. You know, one for me for a long time was like, I just, I didn't realize this until I started doing this work on myself. But I felt safer and like, chaotic environment, then I did life just being safe and easy because of the environment that I was raised in. So it was very normal for me to feel safe in chaos. So that was like a belief that I had to unravel that things don't always have to be chaotic in order to feel grounded and good, right? And when you start looking at the stuff and you get curious when you have a relationship with yourself, where you just kind of go, Oh, I wonder where that came from. Or I wonder why I'm feeling this way. Or I wonder why I'm telling myself what I'm telling myself right now, you start to create a relationship of conscious awareness. When you don't have conscious awareness, you're being reactive to everything that's happening. You're just reacting and you're in response to everything that you're experiencing. And the reason that mental toughness or mental agility, or mental fitness is so important for entrepreneurs, is because you and I choose, we all choose if you're listening to this, you probably own a business. We chose the harder path. You know, we didn't want a life of mediocrity. We wanted to build something. And we all have different visions of what building looks like. But in building things, we are going to face challenges we are going to face things that don't work, we are going to face the seasons that feel harder than than others and our ability to grow through those seasons and not let us diminish our energy and stay focused. always goes back to that relationship with self

Adam Liette
I find myself, you know, we talk about relationships. And I'm thinking like a personal date night or something like, I'm just like throwing an idea. I'm not now thinking in motion. You know, I'm putting a process to it.

Malorie Nicole
Maybe this is gonna give me a bunch of stuff to that I didn't realize I'm like, You're You're, you're operating by IP right now like, oh, exactly. And that's, that's what I love about these interviews is I'm like, Okay.

Adam Liette
What was a personal date night look like? Okay, not to get weird with it or anything.

Malorie Nicole
But, but it is time? It's, it's not see when you say that? I'm like, Yeah, that makes sense. It's not weird to me. Because what I hear you saying is like, how do I give myself space to like, just be with me. And that's something that not all of us, necessarily, we're given the tools or the learnings or understandings of why it's necessary and why it's helpful. And this is getting into like, a little bit more of a performance component. But I have, I encourage I don't have I don't, I don't tell them that they have to, I encourage all of my SEO clients that are running teams, because running a team is a whole lot more than you know, I have a couple people that work with me, but I don't have a big team of 50 people and I see the pressure that happens when you got a big team. You've got to give yourself space and give yourself time to recharge. I highly encourage like quarterly retreats like go book an Airbnb for an AI, you can get away from the family get away from the team, go think because nobody really ever says all my best ideas happen. When I'm in front of my computer at Wednesday, I'm slack is going off, and my team is pulling me in five different directions. This all ties out like our relationship with our emotions, our relationship to the vision and what we want to create our ability to have have this space to think and really listen to what's moving through our mind. Call it a date night, call it a retreat, call it whatever you want. Just go do it.

Adam Liette
Oh, my goodness, I actually have one scheduled for next weekend because like one of my hobbies I found I really enjoy is I go hunting. And it's still deer season deer at season ends next Sunday. So I'm like, get out there again. Because I found there's nothing more amazing in the world than sitting in the woods by yourself completely alone in complete silence for like 12 hours.

Malorie Nicole
I'm so not surprised. You saw that one of my buddies, he he's in an operations role for another company. And he loves hunting. And part of me has to wonder, you guys are always like problem solving mode and thinking about taking complex situations and making them simple and your brains like it's such a gift to go. Alright, this is this big thing. What's next? What do I need to do it? It makes me wonder a little bit. How many operators out there like, like to hunt, have that as a hobby, just because you get to go have stillness in your mind for like, a couple days. Yeah. And to be honest, like, even if I don't get anything, it's like, how was it great. It was amazing. Right? Your brain got the chance to just turn it off for a little bit, even though it never fully turns off. But you got to redirect it.

Adam Liette
Absolutely, I have to stop and give credit to my better half my wife because I think giving credit and gratitude is important. When I was initially starting this hobby, I was like, Well, I can go out there and like listen to my shows. And she's like, What are you? What? No, leave your phone here. Give me your phone, give me your phone, take it. And like that started on now, which is now a practice of when I go somewhere and unplug. I will leave all the devices I will go be with and put my intention to where I'm doing where I'm where it needs to be. And actually just happened yesterday with the day with my family where I unplugged on a Thursday. That's crazy. Right?

Malorie Nicole
Right. But the origin of it was from you know that permission from someone else to give you permission to say like, just go just go and be. There's always I don't want to say always because it's not true. There is often a really strong wife or husband behind a successful business owner or company. And you're right, they don't get enough recognition, but their ability to just tap into the needs of what that person you know, really needs at the time is such a gift.

Adam Liette
And I think if we want to be action oriented because we're operators Hey, that's what we do. It started because my wife's an entrepreneur as well. And when she was starting, I was that for her. So I gave, and now she's she received and now she's giving. So if you don't have a spouse, if you don't have a partner at this point, you're listening like, well, that sounds really cool for you.

Malorie Nicole
You have it, you have friends, you have people in these spaces are in that same place. So giving of yourself, you will receive it back, I firmly believe that it's this wonderful circle thing that happens, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. The more value that you give, the more you're gonna get, you know, and there's a whole thing in there, there's, there's a lot, a big piece of the formula that I like to talk about, one of the foundations of it is boundaries. So you got to figure out what your boundaries are with giving, and what you're willing to, at the time and the season in the day in your life of what that feels like. But, you know, I think it's a very underrated part of business growth, people have a tendency to get so stuck into the thought of like, how do I grow my business? Versus like, what are more ways that I can offer value? That could come back to me in a positive way? Oh, my gosh, sorry.

No, you're good. Okay. You, you have the mic.

Adam Liette
And it's funny, I think those boundaries, they, there's like a cyclical nature to them, too. I have like established boundaries. And when I feel the need, I just blow through my own boundaries. I'm like, I don't care. I have to do this. And it was like two weeks ago, I was doing some prospecting. And I came across someone like 100%. They were in my camp. But they were like three steps behind where I needed them to be. And they acknowledge that, like, I'm just not ready to work for you. I'm like, okay, great. Well, let's jump on a call anyway. Because I just have the I woke up with this compulsion, like, I have to give something today. I have I have to help someone. For me. Yeah. And like that our called. She was like, that was so yeah, I didn't pay for that. Like, No, you didn't. That's okay. It was worth my investment, because of the energy I received from it. From giving.

Malorie Nicole
Yeah, well, so you have a great point there that you're bringing up? I think. And I'm actually working on this for anybody that's listening, that that does kind of work like I do. And you've ever gone through the process of trying to put a lot of this stuff that we're talking about into IP, I'm writing a book right now. And it's growing me in such a great way. Because it's, it's forcing me to take coaching calls and to take six years of working with individuals and teams and go okay, like, how do you explain it? How do you put it into a methodology or formula, and it's stretching me in a really good way? It's not easy, but it's good. And boundaries. When I keep coming back to boundaries, I think that we have a tendency to think boundaries are just about time management, and what I'm saying no to, but what you just said, is such a great example of that, because it's not about just saying no, they're not a fit, I'm not going to open up the space, it's also looking at what energy do I want to give? So it's this mutual back and forth? What am I willing to give? What am I willing to open up my space and my energy do? How am I protecting my energy? And it's more of a relationship with yourself? Every single day, every single instance, every single view situation that you're in? Do I trust my own inner wisdom to make that decision for me? Or have I set up a standard that I'm not willing to sway on? at all for any reason? Right, right.

Adam Liette
Oh my gosh, that opened up my, my apparatus on boundaries. It's like my turtle understanding is like, blown sky high now.

Malorie Nicole
It's like when I you know, I've got a book coach, and she's really helping pull this stuff out of me. Because there's even like a part of my my old brain and I didn't realize this is the way I thought about boundaries until I'm trying to like get the content out, right. But even my old way of thinking boundaries would have meant like you think about the the moat around the castle boundaries is like don't let anything in. Just protect. When really, it's, it's, it's a good, it's a good thing to get.

Adam Liette
Right. It's going deep and let's go deeper. A lot of this is very personal, right? It's this emotional attachment we have to the outcome to our business to our involvement in the business. And I think one of the worst phrases that I've ever heard in my life is it's not per Are Sinologists business? No, for if you're a visionary entrepreneur, or you work for a visionary entrepreneur in an organization like this is one of the most personal things. I think I well, I don't think I know that I do. This is hugely personal. Is it even possible for us to disconnect from the personal from the business? Can we even do that? Is it even advisable? Or am I running down a rabbit hole of awfulness that we should just back maybe later, Adam?

Malorie Nicole
Yeah, no, it's such a great question. I mean, people, people are people, right, and who runs a business? Well, people run businesses, I think that there are business things that are not personable, but that's not what we're talking about. If you and I are looking at, at numbers, and we're just being super objective, and we're going, Okay, this thing is broken in a sales process, we need to fix this, we need to change it, maybe that isn't personal, but performance stuff, communication stuff, how we express ourselves, how we communicate, how we lead, you know, how we lead is how we lead others, whether you're a one person team, and you're leading your clients, or you are leading a big team of people, how you lead yourself is going to model how you're leading those relationships to and that's very personal. And that is a huge part of business. Oh my goodness, love it, love it.

Adam Liette
I'm gonna have to listen to this episode back, which is always a good sign. When I'm doing an interview. I'm like, I'm gonna have to listen to this again, because I'm gonna have to hear it like three or four times and complete taking notes. So listener, hint, hint. I love you talked about leadership. And that's, that's how I, if he if he asked me, like, what's your persona you build around yourself? It's the idea of being a leader. And how I show up for my team and for the people I'm working with the companies I'm working with, and I've wrapped so much of my own self identity into that. And it's the thing I'm constantly looking towards, like, how do I become a better leader? I've read all the books. Okay, that's great, high five. But one thing you talked about on your site was the idea of a new wave of leadership. And I think we're already like, dipping our toes into that already with where the conversations going. What is like what's on the horizon? For leadership? What do you see from leaders as leadership itself is evolving?

Malorie Nicole
Yeah, such a great question. And thank you even for giving me that feedback. Because I just worked on my website and put new language on it and all of that stuff I've been spending time on. So that's just feedback for me of like, okay, this is resonating. Thank you for sharing that. The leadership that I think is, is where we're headed is more about the vulnerability of what we all want in our life. You know, I How long have you been in the im space? Like? We've we've both been around for a while, right? I've been about five years. Yeah. So you I ask because we've both seen the evolution of five years ago, everybody was talking about growth and scaling and growth and scaling and growth and scaling and marketing and sales. That is the only thing people were talking about. Like nobody was talking about operations. Nobody was really talking about performance. Nobody was talking about mindset. Everyone's just like, This is how you scale this is how you, you 10x And a year, 3x a year, even Gary Vee was only talking about all that, like five years ago. That's all right. And now, I'm not, I'm not the cool person anymore, or excuse me, I'm not the I'm not the not, that's not a good way to say it. I'm not the black sheep anymore. Because all this crap that I've been talking about for six years, it's like everybody's talking about it. And I'm like, I don't I don't need to be the cool person. I'm over here, like, Yay, I'm so excited. There's room at the table for everybody. Let's all collaborate on this because this is how we build healthy business, healthy relationships and healthy life. Because there's so many people that have built from a belief or a process or a mindset that wasn't actually true to what they wanted. They did it anyways, because they felt like that's what they needed to do to be a good business owner, or have the company that, you know, quote, unquote, they needed to have, and people are really starting to be more vulnerable and honest, but like, No, you you get to build it your way. Like you get to do life the way you want to do it. And the measure of success is not the revenue number. It's not how many employees you have. It's not how many customers you have. It's Do you feel fulfilled in your life? And the more

We have individuals leading their life from that place, the more we give other people permission to take a step back, even for intrapreneurs. You know, this isn't just for founders and owners, we give people permission to take a step back and say, Are you enjoying the process? Do you like what you're doing? Is this really where you want to go? And so for me, I love that people are talking about that. Now, it's so exciting to me, I hope more and more people keep talking about it, because it really is how we change the direction that we're headed.

Adam Liette
Wow. I'm just reflecting back on that journey. And like, having seen it myself, and I know, running a team. I can pinpoint the exact timeframes that and the actions that corresponded to them where I saw the team change. And I saw the team take big steps forward, and not just forward like individually but together. And one particular role at one was when I started having one to one meetings with all my team members. And the key thing was the one on one meeting was not about their performance. It was about mine, and their place in the company and giving them that space. And don't just allow myself to be vulnerable to my team. And oh, my goodness, it's crazy what that will do in terms of your team's the growth just it that's 10x. That's the real 10x Not, not this arbitrary figure you put on a piece of paper. So nice validation, that's here, you've been doing things right.

Malorie Nicole
I just got like chills, because you that is that is leadership. Like that is leadership. It's the willingness to be very comfortable with who you are, and your own self, that you're open to having those conversations, and not letting it derail you, and letting the feedback allow you to give yourself permission to be a better person, you know, my husband and I, we asked ourselves often, like, what can I do better for you this week? Like, how can I be better, and it's not coming from this place of like, I'm not good enough. It's coming from this place of I care. And I love you. And I want you to experience me in a really wonderful way. And I want you to think about me as someone on your support system and someone that cheers you on what can I do to make your life even better this week? And when we don't ask ourselves the questions of like, how is my husband experiencing being married to me? Or how are my employees experiencing? Being, you know, working for my team? Or how are my clients experiencing me being their coach? Are they getting what they need from me? Am I asking him those questions? Like, is there anything I could be doing different for you? Is there anything that we're not touching that you think we need to be talking about? That's where we all get to grow. And we respect each other when we show up from that place?

Adam Liette
I love it. I'm totally stealing that marriage tip. By the way. That's, that's happening.

Malorie Nicole
And it's so it's so easy. And it's so like, it makes you just feel so appreciated. You know, to have your partner and just be like, How can I be better for you? Like, it's the simplest thing in the world. But sometimes, it's those simple little tweaks that create really big results. Wow.

Adam Liette
Oh, so fantastic. We could could talk all day and night, but no, I just looked at a time I can't believe it's almost like you and I could spend a lot of time together. Oh, and we will, it's gonna be good. I want to wrap this up by connecting a couple of different things that kind of coalesce. Yeah. And it's the idea of what used to be what was taught, then we, you know, went from grind, grind, grind to four hour workweek. And I think we're now coming full circle to fulfilment, like being satisfied. And in that, like the old paradigm of work life balance, I've never really believed in it anyway. Because there's no number to it, right? It's but it's not something much more significant. And so I'd love just to give ourselves permission to, you know, we'll talk about it here, but you the listeners, give yourself the permission to examine your own work life balance, whatever that means for you, and to try to see if you can see through it to the next stage of your own evolution. So what does that mean to you? Mallory?

Malorie Nicole
Yeah, so I posted something on Facebook. I don't it might have been a month or two ago, I can't remember and it got a very big response and I wasn't expecting it. It was just like that. thing that that idea that popped in my head and I went and posted it, and I came back later. And I'm like, Oh, this is really resonating with people. And all it said was like, we're not looking for work life balance, we're looking for emotional fulfillment. And I do believe that is really what we're looking for, we're not necessarily looking for the hours, as much as we are looking for a feeling to feel grounded and to feel like we're creating a really good life, you know, you could, and I've seen people do this, I've seen talk, going back to what you just said, I've seen people go from one end to the other, and the spectrum of like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna shut my agency down. And I'm just going to run out passive income business and work three hours a week, and not for everybody, because some people have kids. And that's the whole purpose of creating passive income to spend time with kids or, you know, maybe you have another problem in your life that that's solving for you have time freedom. But for a lot of people, they end up going from one end to the other. And they find themselves very dissatisfied, because they're not looking for a time difference. It was time was never the problem. It was was I doing the work? That is actually interesting to me, you know, you don't necessarily have to wake up and feel like you have are solving the world all the world's problems, and you're living your life purpose. That's a lot of pressure. But are you building your life in a way that you feel meaning around it? And you're inspired by the work? That's what I go to? Like, do you enjoy going to work every day? If you don't, we got to take a look at it. You know, life, career is where we spend a lot of our time. So why would we not be asking the question of making the adjustment in a way that gives us the emotional fulfillment? That's the real balance to me.

Adam Liette
Wow. I gotta tell you, there's been a couple of decisions that have been kind of weighing on me, like right now, and I feel just at peace with them.

Malorie Nicole
Oh, my gosh, I'm so happy than this is I mean, you gave me an opportunity to come on and talk to your audience that you have grown and built, and it takes work to do that. So I'm grateful that, you know, there's a couple takeaways for you in it.

Adam Liette
Fantastic. I knew we met for a reason Mallory, this has been absolutely incredible. But I do want to give the listeners with something to do next. Where can they find out more about you? And go down this pathway for themselves?

Malorie Nicole
Yeah, my email list. So if you want to keep going on this, I have a free challenge that's coming out that goes deeper into some of the principles that we're talking about, and will give you very tangible questions of how do I apply it? Because I know sometimes people are like, this all sounds like theory, but what do I do next? And my goal is to help bridge that gap for people and not have it be just theory, but actually implement it into your life. So go to my website, abundantly clear. podcast.com is the easiest way. Otherwise, you can go to Mallory dash nicole.com Believe it or not the guy that owns Mallory nicole.com. Well, he won't even let me he won't make me an offer to buy the URL. So Mallory dash nicole.com is where you can go, I'm sure the links will be in the show notes for you guys, too. And the email list is where to go. And I've got a book coming out later on this year. So if you want to be the first to know about that, get on the list.

Adam Liette
Absolutely. I have a spot for it right there. Because I'm a book nerd. I got this. For sure. Huge bookshelf. Of course, you know. Yes.

That was yeah, when we were yesterday, I got to go to Half Price Books. So yeah, well, personal aside. Half Price Books is like my favorite store in the entire world because there's just treasures waiting for you for like five bucks each. And I never go out with less books.

Malorie Nicole
I love bookstores too though my one way I meet my husband's needs is by not asking him to go to the bookstore with me because I literally spend hours in bookstores. I'm like, I'm just not going to ask anymore. Because I know that an hour for you in a bookstore is great too. And three hours of bookstores, crosses a line for him.

Adam Liette
My wife and I, we we her thing is children's book. She runs a daycare. That's her she's an entrepreneur. And so I'll have this big stack of like big thick business books, she'll have this bigger stack of children's books, and we both look at each other and be like, okay, whatever. This is our life. This is what we do. What we do, I love you for it.

Malorie Nicole
That's so awesome.

Adam Liette
So amazing. This has been so much fun Mallory and I just have to say, I, I am truly blessed to be able to have these conversations that for some reason we've our paths have crossed and I am grateful. And I'm grateful not only to meet you but for what you're doing in the world. So just thank you so much for The difference you're making it's it's amazing.

Malorie Nicole
Thank you for having me on. I really enjoyed this episode. Thank you so much for just inviting me.

Adam Liette
Absolutely Mallory and you have a great rest of your day she will we will be in touch more. So stay tuned listeners and keep on operating.